Posts by william draper

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Changing images

by maisha in

awhile ago i was mentioning how many of the images in watchtowers last year were containing addins with skulls, demon like faces and blatant illuminiti imagery.

i recently went into the download sites again to grab some of those images and blow me away they have all been changed, cropped, edited, i can say that because i have some those original digital images from the magazines of last year, however the images currently on download sites are not the same some completely removed.

one such image of jesus coming on an ass has been cropped, removing the name of the hidden name of the artist,,,, and altering a huge demon like face on the window.... has anyone else noticed this?..

william draper

MARCH 2015 WATCHTOWER , IMAGE OF FACE CLEARLY IN THE CLOUDS , RIGHT SIDE OF THE FRONT PAGE , JUST ABOVE THE CENTER

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Having Faith in the Bible

by william draper in

i know many on here have lost faith in the bible , is it possible that is because ones do not have the right perspective regarding it .

we have usually been taught by bad teachers , or ignorant .

i believe if we take an honest look at the bible , we will see that it gives us the best answers to crucial matters , it gives us some amount of bearings ( understanding ) , which without having such knowledge we would all be more like walking zombies in amanner of speaking , we would be lacking hope in something better , for surely something better is to come , how can we be sure , .

william draper

The fact is that we know that God allows these things to happen ; which brings up another point , where do we find the best explanation as to why God allows these things to happen . I don't like this , but what can I do , what can we do , possibly as a people we are not doing enough of the right things , we allow so much corruption in our society , and then we look at God and say . . . we don't like what you do , and we are ourselves not doing right and making excuses for our selves .

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Having Faith in the Bible

by william draper in

i know many on here have lost faith in the bible , is it possible that is because ones do not have the right perspective regarding it .

we have usually been taught by bad teachers , or ignorant .

i believe if we take an honest look at the bible , we will see that it gives us the best answers to crucial matters , it gives us some amount of bearings ( understanding ) , which without having such knowledge we would all be more like walking zombies in amanner of speaking , we would be lacking hope in something better , for surely something better is to come , how can we be sure , .

william draper

http://christianthinktank.com/midian.html

Please see the link above .

It is quite erroneous to say that I support the killing of children , the fact maybe that in those times there was no way to take care of children from which warfare would have left with no parents .

If you stand before GOD and point your finger at him , well that is between you and God . I wouldn't want to put myself in such a position , the fact is we know that God allows bad things to happen , if you think you are big enough , or intelligent enough to put God before a tribunal .. . I really pity you , obviously there are many on here that seem quite ready to do that very thing , You don't understand , neither do I , but I am not going to question the hand of God , and I hope you will think about this again yourself .

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Having Faith in the Bible

by william draper in

i know many on here have lost faith in the bible , is it possible that is because ones do not have the right perspective regarding it .

we have usually been taught by bad teachers , or ignorant .

i believe if we take an honest look at the bible , we will see that it gives us the best answers to crucial matters , it gives us some amount of bearings ( understanding ) , which without having such knowledge we would all be more like walking zombies in amanner of speaking , we would be lacking hope in something better , for surely something better is to come , how can we be sure , .

william draper

Terry . I gave you an answer on that question , there are of course other things as well .

VI , you need to make more sure of what you post as being what the scripture says , for instance at DT 22: 28 , it does not appear to be rape , note it says , IF THEY ARE DISCOVERED this would imply willingness or some desire on the part of the woman , some women have been known to really want sex really badly , is this not true . There is little here to imply rape , . . . vs 28 and seizes her . . . NAS this could mean nothing more than . . .takes the woman into his arms . . or seduces her .

In regards to the warfare where the women and male children were taken captive and later killed under the order of Moses , in the previous chapter it speaks of these people as having acted wickedly against the Israelites , the women turning the men to Baal Worship , and much more surely took place , note that before this many of the Israalite men were killed for Baal Worship , is this right , the worship of Baal involved child sacrifice I believe , at least at some point of time . WAS THAT A GOOD THING , NOT AT ALL . Were the Baal worshipers ever warned , yes they were by Balaam NUMBERS ch 24 , and probably again that we do not know about ,

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Having Faith in the Bible

by william draper in

i know many on here have lost faith in the bible , is it possible that is because ones do not have the right perspective regarding it .

we have usually been taught by bad teachers , or ignorant .

i believe if we take an honest look at the bible , we will see that it gives us the best answers to crucial matters , it gives us some amount of bearings ( understanding ) , which without having such knowledge we would all be more like walking zombies in amanner of speaking , we would be lacking hope in something better , for surely something better is to come , how can we be sure , .

william draper

I wish I had time to reply to all , except those which are just insulting me and putting words here that I am not saying .

I will though reply as I have time , I am a little surprised in regards to the lack of support .

Does everbody truly hate the scriptures that much .

The one comment madethat the Bible deserves to be scrutized I AGREE WHOLE HEARTEDLY WITH .

SO let's look at some things , the one scripture that is said to be speaking of rape , it is not , read it again ; whereas another scripture may be speaking of rape , but nowhere does it prevent the woman from leaving the man . The law deals with what is the best solution for events , which may or may not be able to be ctonfirmed . The man may think twice about raping the women ,

DEUTERONOMY 22 says that if a man rapes a women he should die .

There are other things said also whether it happened in the city , where the women could cry out for help , or the field where she could not be heard ,look at this chapter with a reasonable mind , how does such really apply to that era , is there a lesson here about how people should live to avoid possible circumstances , but we know there is always a chance for bad to happen .

Lets look at the rape of Tamar found in 2nd Samuel 13 , how was this dealt with , the one that violated her was killed , be sure to read it all , if you don't you may think that many others were also killed , but there is a clarification that only Amnon was actually killed , for the rape of Tamar .

We must understand that besides what is written in the bible , there were other explanatory writings that went into more details , the customs of the people are not 100% fully revealed in what we find in the scriptures ,

There were other events not fully recorded in scripture in every detail

Look at rape in our day , in the military , and so forth , and men get by with murder , false accusations , locking up people in jails for decades unjustly . It does not appear that are laws in practice are any better .

Now on another note , the writing of Genesis , here we have Moses , or whoever you wish to believe , standing upon DRY GROUND , a thousand or 2 thousand years after creation speaking of the creation of this world , or even if it was 100, 000 years later let's not miss the point of what is said about our planet , before man walked upon it ; what science teaches is very much in line with what is said here in GENESIS 1 .

MOSES ALSO GIVES CREDIT TO SOMEONE THAT HE BELIEVES CREATED THIS WORLD

Therenare people today that do not have such wisdom , to understand what is also said in ROMANS ch 1.

Moses speaks about the creation of light , although it appears a bit confused , the writer is getting the basics correct , he is doing his best under inspiration to write it down right , He speaks of a light being created , no he is not speaking of the Sun , but something before that , just as science is telling us , something akin to the BIG BANG , something happened to bring light upon this world , and he has the sense to give credit to God for this , now a few verses later the writer is speaking about the creation of the Sun .

No where else do you find such wisdom .

Many spoke of the earth being flat , or supportedby Elephants , but in the scriptures we find what science also revealed years later , now of course a wise man could reason that the earth was round , but to say that it hung upon nothing , where else does one find such wisdom , God revealed it to certain ones to have such understanding . Many other wise men had no grasp of such knowledge .

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Having Faith in the Bible

by william draper in

i know many on here have lost faith in the bible , is it possible that is because ones do not have the right perspective regarding it .

we have usually been taught by bad teachers , or ignorant .

i believe if we take an honest look at the bible , we will see that it gives us the best answers to crucial matters , it gives us some amount of bearings ( understanding ) , which without having such knowledge we would all be more like walking zombies in amanner of speaking , we would be lacking hope in something better , for surely something better is to come , how can we be sure , .

william draper

I appreciate your comments , but really what is substantiated knowledge . It takes a lot of dedication to attain just a little bit of knowledge which can truly be substantiated . In regards to what is said in the scripture that couldn't have been just the intelligence of some wise men . I will have to agree that some things that we were taught do not pass the test , other things for the most part will pass the test , some things still to be seen . From all that VI gave regarding inconsistencies, shows how the Bible was not plagiarized , think about this , the way some scriptures read , you can find something that is contradicting within a single chapter of the Bible , like an idiot wrote it . This is surely nothing more than an error in translation , also , how one says something can completely change its meaning , just a missing comma , can change what is meant to be said . Interestingly the Bible tells us to use common sense .

Is there a God ; probably nothing answers this question better than what is written in Romans chapter 1 (one ) .

Most of you guys have responded in a genuine way , and I thank you for that , you definitely give me a little bit of challenge .

There is a saying that familiarity breeds contempt , might this be true of the Bible , some people are just sick of it , and will jump to anything that is the latest fad ; condemning everything in it , because of some things that are not understood or appreciated . We know there are mistakes in the Bible , but what evidence is there truly of any other writings that give us the basics .

Mankind will destroy this planet if left to our devices just as the scripture forewarned us .

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Having Faith in the Bible

by william draper in

i know many on here have lost faith in the bible , is it possible that is because ones do not have the right perspective regarding it .

we have usually been taught by bad teachers , or ignorant .

i believe if we take an honest look at the bible , we will see that it gives us the best answers to crucial matters , it gives us some amount of bearings ( understanding ) , which without having such knowledge we would all be more like walking zombies in amanner of speaking , we would be lacking hope in something better , for surely something better is to come , how can we be sure , .

william draper

Free Mind , I am sure that the authenticity of there actually being certain writings containing more pertenant matters that were written before scripture are quite questionable and believable mostly to those that want to belief such , but let's say that certain writings were in Egypt before being written in scripture , then it would appear that such good knowledge was gained from Gods spirit one way or the other and found worthy of being in scripture . I appreciate your response sincerely .

In regards to Aten , there really didn't appear to be substantiation , only some things relative .

Just like people that want to believe in certain things about but he Bible and will find justification , sometimes not all that good . Some people have gotten so turned off by wrong understanding of scripture that they will easily accept things which are said about other things , but in all honesty really don't have true justification .

It s a real learning experience , I will agree to get to that which is really true .

In regards to people being gay , the scriptures speak of certain people , not that they should be killed , but something else , but one that promotes such a thing is truly going against God , just like one that would promote Greed , or has some other weakness , typically we don't act like we are proud of such ,but live with it the best that we can , that is all God requires of us , if we slip we try to do better , not promote things which are contrary .

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Having Faith in the Bible

by william draper in

i know many on here have lost faith in the bible , is it possible that is because ones do not have the right perspective regarding it .

we have usually been taught by bad teachers , or ignorant .

i believe if we take an honest look at the bible , we will see that it gives us the best answers to crucial matters , it gives us some amount of bearings ( understanding ) , which without having such knowledge we would all be more like walking zombies in amanner of speaking , we would be lacking hope in something better , for surely something better is to come , how can we be sure , .

william draper

I know many on here have lost faith in the Bible , is it possible that is because ones do not have the right perspective regarding it . We have usually been taught by bad teachers , or ignorant . I believe if we take an honest look at the Bible , we will see that it gives us the best answers to crucial matters , it gives us some amount of bearings ( understanding ) , which without having such knowledge we would all be more like walking zombies in amanner of speaking , we would be lacking hope in something better , for surely something better is to come , how can we be sure ,

Let's take a look at Law , Law will always prevail sooner or later , did that Rich Bastard just gun down or run over some poor old man , misfiurtunate woman or child , well Law will demand repayment of some form , and that life that was squashed will certainly be restored ; Law would demand this , and the scriptures say that such will happen .

Is there any other book that gives us a better understanding of where we came from , and what may be / is to be our future .

AM I RIGHT TO SAY THERE IS NO OTHER BOOK ! written before the scriptures in this regard that is more worth believing .

Was there any book written before the Bible to speak of thesacredness of marriage , of course we say . . . . what about King David and others that had MANY wives , OK , but really does it say anywhere in scripture that such was a blessed arrangement , or have we read into the scriptures this kind of understanding , is it possible some things were written for us to be more critical of .

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I'm a Jinx--anyone else?

by Junction-Guy in

jw
friends

im surprised i havent posted anything like this before.

i believe im jinxed.

everything i touch turns to crap.

william draper

Junction Guy makes an observation about life that I believe many can relate to . I believe that I rule in this arena , as I guess others may also believe the same about themselves , Years ago when I was traveling between Texas and Florida , it seemed as if the Hurricanes went wherever I had left from .

There is probably nothing that hurts like having your children ripped away from you either unjustly , or with just cause , but the pain I expect goes deeper when you have your children unjustly taken from you , which I believe women are most often the perpetrators of this criminal activity which often no criminal actions are taken against one , then you are lied against in order for them to continue their scheme .

When my wife and I got back together back in 1986 , everything was going OK , I had learned to control my frustration in regards to her very very irrational behavior , running out of the house and telling me she wasn't going to stay home with the children while I went to work . There was no drama the last time we got back together , then just like 2 days after we all went to the outer Disney area , and had a nice time , she disappeared with the children while I was at work , went back to her parents 1000 miles away , I followed in order to see my children. taking a leave from my job , I slept in the park and got a job at Richards Restaurant , stayed just 1 day late after my bus ticket expired for return trip , so I ended up hitchhiking back to Florida , never having been allowed to spend time with my children , except I agree only in her parents house . My ex had ran up a phone bill of more than $750.00 , during that last time we were back together for about 6 weeks . 12 months later she looses the children , to the Babysitter due to neglect , and abuse by her and her new husband , I only found out by hiring a PI . About 16 years later , I made contact with my children , and things looked like they might go well , they were asking about their mother though , at the mall I talked a little about their mother , making a positive note in one regard , REMEMBER , so anyway I helped them get back together with their mother . The elder told me she was married with 3 children , now I am talking to my children and they say Mom is living with them , along with their 3 children , and I say you mean she is visiting , NO she is living here now , she divorced and now living there with them . I call the elder he says that her husband is trying to sell the property and move down there also ? ? ? ? ? ? So I am talking to my children again . . . . . . DON'T YOU CALL MOM A LIAR they are hysterical and upset at me ... . seems that their mother is also feeding them those old lies once again .. . . its hell all over again 😨

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Being in a cult - what good did it do?

by Garrett in

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friends

so, here's a bit of a different point of view.

while most of us will agree that our time within the jw cult was rather terrible, however, i'd like to look at another aspect.

did anything good come out of being in a cult and then waking up from it?.

william draper

Being able to speak of some of the good things that existed in a religion , which one has left , is a sign that they are reasonable people , and open minded . Such gives more credence to the decision that they have made in leaving this church .